{"id":3864,"date":"2010-02-01T08:41:16","date_gmt":"2010-02-01T08:41:16","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.paradisec.org.au\/blog\/2010\/02\/give-us-more-numbers\/"},"modified":"2011-02-05T07:46:50","modified_gmt":"2011-02-05T07:46:50","slug":"give-us-more-numbers","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.paradisec.org.au\/blog\/2010\/02\/give-us-more-numbers\/","title":{"rendered":"Give us more numbers"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Check out Nicolas Rothwell&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/www.theaustralian.com.au\/news\/features\/landscape-of-despondency-as-bureaucrats-rebuild-the-bush\/story-e6frg6z6-1225824629048\">article<\/a> in Saturday&#8217;s <em>Australian<\/em>. It&#8217;s about yes well maybe after all it wasn&#8217;t such a good idea the way the Intervention demoralised Indigenous people and engendered a sense of hopelessness and powerlessness in the face of Government and its bureaucrats. So, which newspaper has hammered Indigenous people for incompetence and dysfunctionality over the last 4 years?  Which newspaper has been applauding itself for triggering the Intervention?<br \/>\nAnd thinking of other misusable data, the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.myschool.edu.au\/\">My School Site<\/a> was launched recently, showing how students across Australia performed on the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.naplan.edu.au\/\">NAPLAN<\/a> tests of English literacy and numeracy.<br \/>\nI&#8217;m all for numbers, but I do share Bruce Petty&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/www.theage.com.au\/photogallery\/opinion\/bruce-petty\/20090907-fdvy.html?selectedImage=0\">concern<\/a> about how these are being used.  The numbers we&#8217;ve been given are seriously flawed for understanding what&#8217;s happening in Indigenous schools in the NT.<br \/>\nThese are ENGLISH literacy tests administered in ENGLISH.  So if the kids start monolingual in a language other than English it&#8217;s kinda obvious that they&#8217;re going to do badly in reading and writing English in their first years at school.  And they&#8217;ll continue to do badly if they don&#8217;t get good ESL teaching and if they get so bored at school that they stop attending.<br \/>\nLots of the remote NT schools (bilingual and non-bilingual) do really badly.  What is unforgiveable is the comparison with so-called &#8220;statistically similar&#8221; schools.  They do not seem to have factored in first language.  So, among the schools <a href=\"http:\/\/www.myschool.edu.au\/Main.aspx?PageId=2&#038;SDRSchoolId=NT%20G0000000188&#038;DEEWRId=6730&#038;CalendarYear=2009\">compared to<\/a> Yuendumu (majority of children speak Warlpiri as a first language) are schools where most children&#8217;s first language is English, Aboriginal English or an English-based creole.  Here are some (there are probably more but I don&#8217;t know all the communities).<br \/>\nBorroloola School, Borroloola NT 0854<br \/>\nCamooweal State School, Camooweal QLD 4828<br \/>\nGoodooga Central School, Goodooga NSW 2831<br \/>\nMoree East Public School, Moree NSW 2400<br \/>\nWilcannia Central School, Wilcannia NSW 2836<br \/>\nEven if you speak an English-based creole rather than standard English, you&#8217;ll still do better than a child who only speaks a traditional language &#8211; just as English-speaking children find it easier to learn French than Chinese.  There are so many similar words.<br \/>\nWho could be surprised that these children do better on English tests?<br \/>\nAnd, the information one really wants isn&#8217;t there on the site. You can get mission statement blah.  So the Feds have said they&#8217;ll give more information  &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.smh.com.au\/national\/education\/parent-power-wins-top-spot-on-my-school-20100131-n6m5.html\">what parents think about schools<\/a>&#8230;.  Brilliant, what blame-avoiding PR person thought that up?<br \/>\nI bet parents would be MORE interested in the following sets of numbers, which the State and  Federal Departments could provide MUCH more cheaply than by conducting an expensive survey of parents:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> How much do the State and Federal governments spend per child in the school?\n<li> how many students per teacher?(see <a href=\"http:\/\/www.smh.com.au\/opinion\/politics\/the-great-divide-in-school-staff-numbers-20100131-n6fu.html\">a nice opinion piece<\/a> (1\/2\/2010) in the <em>Sydney Morning Herald<\/em>)\n<li> how many first year out teachers are there in the school?\n<li>what&#8217;s the teacher churn in the school?\n<li> in schools with high numbers of children who don&#8217;t speak English, how many properly trained ESL teachers are there? (and I don&#8217;t mean ESL training via a day&#8217;s workshop with a department trainer)\n<li>how long has the principal been there><\/ul>\n<p>Throw those into the statistical blender and see how that changes the &#8220;statistically similar schools&#8221; clumping.<br \/>\nApparently the Federal Minister for Education, Julia Gillard, wants us to use the My School website to &#8216;hold schools and teachers to account&#8217;.  Give us the numbers ON THAT SITE so we can hold Governments to account.<br \/>\nOn the other hand, take the much maligned bilingual education programs.  Last year the NT government demoralised communities with bilingual education programs by unilaterally abolishing those programs, against the communities&#8217; wishes.   All in the name of improving NAPLAN scores.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><br \/>\nIn Canberra, the Government School <a href=\"http:\/\/www.telopea.act.edu.au\/\">Telopea Park<\/a> has a bilingual French-English program, and has done so for many years. In Sydney, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.igssyd.nsw.edu.au\/newsite3\/index.php\">International Grammar School<\/a>, a private school,  &#8220;offers a bilingual partial immersion language program for all students from preschool to the end of primary, and a strong high school languages program up to Higher School Certificate. Languages include French, Italian, German, Japanese, Chinese and Spanish.&#8221;<br \/>\nOn the MySchool figures, both schools score above, equal to, or only slightly below &#8220;statistically similar schools&#8221;.   So kids going to these schools get both languages, and do by and large as well or better on English literacy and numeracy than kids going to so-called statistically similar monolingual schools.<br \/>\nTherefore, when bilingual education is properly resourced and taught, parents are motivated to take part in their children&#8217;s education, their kids can do as well or better than in monolingual schools, AND they get the other language developed as well.  Therefore  bilingual education in and of itself is NOT the reason for the poor performance by students in NT bilingual schools on NAPLAN.<br \/>\nSo, State and Federal Governments, give us more numbers.  Tell us about teacher churn. Tell us about how experienced the teachers are.  Tell us how much is spent per child at different schools. AND make sure you are really comparing like with like &#8211;  stop claiming that children who don&#8217;t speak English should do as well as first language English speakers in the early years on tests in English.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Check out Nicolas Rothwell&#8217;s article in Saturday&#8217;s Australian. It&#8217;s about yes well maybe after all it wasn&#8217;t such a good idea the way the Intervention demoralised Indigenous people and engendered a sense of hopelessness and powerlessness in the face of Government and its bureaucrats. So, which newspaper has hammered Indigenous people for incompetence and dysfunctionality &#8230; <a title=\"Give us more numbers\" class=\"read-more\" href=\"https:\/\/www.paradisec.org.au\/blog\/2010\/02\/give-us-more-numbers\/\" aria-label=\"Read more about Give us more numbers\">Read more<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[12],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3864","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-general-news"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.paradisec.org.au\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3864","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.paradisec.org.au\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.paradisec.org.au\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.paradisec.org.au\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.paradisec.org.au\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3864"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.paradisec.org.au\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3864\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":4194,"href":"https:\/\/www.paradisec.org.au\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3864\/revisions\/4194"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.paradisec.org.au\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3864"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.paradisec.org.au\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3864"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.paradisec.org.au\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3864"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}